Hi,
Long time no write. I’ve joined IIT Madras and started working. Was quite busy. Hence the hiatus.. But the thing I’m writing about now is (hopefully) worth the long gap. Fertility and fecundity after fallow? Interesting alliteration. Hmm…
I’m having a brilliant time here at IIT. But another post on it, another time. This post is about something else. I’ve written before that I like to argue. I’ve developed a new passion/skill - developing fallacious arguments. Its quite tough. Its not about sounding dumb. You need to your dumbness to be clever. It entails intelligently thinking out a structured argument, and intentionally twisting the structure in such a way that the twist is not obvious to the other person. I’m really enjoying watching the other person grapple with a fallacious reasoning, knowing that its wrong, but not being able to put the finger on it. This post is quasi-fallacious. It is serious stuff.
I also like to puzzle about profound questions on things. Some examples -
1. Does coffee taste the same to two different people? How to verify it? I can describe the taste to you and you can check, but is language sufficient to describe the experience of drinking good (even bad) coffee?
2. Is close friendship transitive? I am a close friend with a person, and that person is a close friend of another. Is it possible for me NOT to be a close friend of that third person? My rationale behind the question - you must have noted the emphasis on close. Its obvious that acquaintanceship is not necessarily transitive. Two people become close friends when they share interests and agree, or at least agree to disagree on most points. So when there’s this great overlap between A and B, and A and C, will there not be an overlap between A and C?
I have here a similar question. Is humility the ultimate form of arrogance? I’ll also throw in some fallacious reasoning here and there, to come up with some nice points. For the first time, I’m writing a post as the starting point of a discussion. I do not want this to be a monologue. I’d LOVE to hear many points of view. I’ll try to help you by being a bit provocative
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What is humility? I am talking not about the general one, but a very particular form, where humility manifests itself as self-effaciveness in face of praise (is self-effaciveness a valid morph of the word self-effacing? still, sounds good
). Typical scenario -
A: “Hey, you did a great job! Wonder how you accomplished it..”
B: “Oh, it was nothing!”
Is B humble here? Possibly. What are the possible reasons for B’s behaviour in down-playing praise at him?
– it really was nothing for him, and he was simply being truthful.
– it was a tough job, but he was macho. He didn’t want to reveal the it sweated him out
– he wants to say he’s such a big guy that this job is trivial. But he cannot state that explicitly. Hence this.
– he is addicted to praise, and wants to be lauded for being humble, in addition to being a genius.
and so on..
The first I would say is benign, though a bit dumb, because the listener will more often than not interpret it as one of the other three, or worse.
The second is bravado - putting up a brave face while shaky inside.
The third and fourth are what really interests me. Make no mistake - there are many people like this. Its fun to inspect the motives and driving forces of them..
Third category guys are show-offs. Fourth are megalomaniacs. People who employ these tricks are no mean guys. They are really insightful and perceptive, and play around with others’ minds and their impressions of him, and subtly make suggestive remarks like these. I admire the means, though not the ends.
Uptil this point is my progress. From here starts the grey area. From here on, I only have questions, and at best, vague, unverified guesses.
1. I’ve not listed all motivations behind this kind of humility. Are there more?
2. When a person has done a good job, and another recognizes it, where is the need for him to down-play it? I for one am proud. And proud to say that I am proud. And proud to say I am proud to say that I am proud. And proud to … (recursion yet again. I notice that I’ve become good at identifying and creating recursion. This was another question I used to ponder upon. Its fine to see a recursive program and understand it, but is it really possible to anybody to create one? Is it a skill or a gift? Another question - do all those who read computer science become good at recursion? Because that’s what happened to me. CS came, and recursion came right behind. There. Two irrelevant, but relevant questions) I own my creations and my efforts, and assert the fact. I do not down-play hard work. I feel happy when my “property” is admired at - be it my code, my effort for something, my performance at something or anything else involving my things. But I don’t disfigure these and mutilate them by false self-effaciveness..
All these were there for a long time, but got refined in a way when I discovered Ayn Rand.. The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged are good books. They also served to ratify my opinions and thoughts on this..
So when there are so many reasons to feel proud, why be humble? And note that I refer to the “clean” version of pride. I don’t have much hopes of many understanding what the “clean” version, and I can in no way explain..
3. Is there at all any instance where this kind of humility that is not aimed at personal image gain? I know that a) this is very cynical, and b) I am contradicting myself, having just talked about the type for whom it was nothing in the first place. Still, I ask. Are not all forms of this denial secretly aimed at personal image gain? Are there some people for whom the job was difficult, but they do not acknowledge it, and NOT because they want to gain image?? Sounds a bit unbelievable! And surely is difficult to put into words. If such people exist, then why do they deny earned credit in the first place?
Questions, questions, questions. Any thoughts? It would be great if you can throw in your point of view. Tell me what you think!
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thanks,
karthrags